tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post9005100315992644872..comments2023-10-27T07:50:27.411+01:00Comments on Next Left: Help! Can anyone find a Tory blogger who believes that climate change is a real threat?Tom Hampsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05917325958130851128noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-83306689582619542062011-07-02T16:11:45.066+01:002011-07-02T16:11:45.066+01:00The fact that nobody really knows or understands t...The fact that nobody really knows or understands the complex factors that are involved in climate change. Many people think it is CO2, but what if really it is the sun or something else. If someone would know it for sure, he would have indisputable proof. Ray's <a href="http://diy-home-solar-panels.blogspot.com/2011/06/pv-solar-panels-why-diy-solar-panels.html" rel="nofollow">pv solar panels</a> blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-50982014191784085782009-11-19T07:35:58.833+00:002009-11-19T07:35:58.833+00:00Could be that many conservative bloggers can write...Could be that many conservative bloggers can write what they believe, rather than what the electorate want to hear (take note, Mr Cameron!). More people all the time are getting wise to the super scam of the 21st century, including many liberals. The left always push the point by making the "deniers" feel like a leper minority, their use of the word "consensus" making regular appearances. Well, this consensus is also phony, as this petition to the Senate demonstrates:<br />http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/02/160-physicists-send-letter-to-senate-regarding-aps-climate-position/Skip MacLurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04027575170801132354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-87371167918397008402009-11-17T00:13:08.821+00:002009-11-17T00:13:08.821+00:00"Polling finds a strong majority of the Briti..."Polling finds a strong majority of the British public do think global warming is real and man-made by a margin of 71% to 23%"<br /><br />Talking of science, I see your 71% and raise you 41%: http://www.physorg.com/news177493814.html<br /><br />It all depends which poll you want to use.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16765041724860036839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-64703525910745411872009-11-03T12:28:17.762+00:002009-11-03T12:28:17.762+00:00Theory:
a proposed explanation whose status is st...Theory:<br /><br />a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.<br /><br />contemplation or speculation<br /><br />guess or conjecture<br /><br />Yes, global warming is a theory. It is not a fact. Theories have to be rigorously tested by collecting and examining evidence. Theories are not proven by hysterical arm waving tofu munchers.<br /><br />It is a fact that the climate changes, and that it has changed over hundreds of millions of years. It changed long before we arrived, and it will change long after we are gone.<br /><br />Fact:<br /><br />something that actually exists; reality; truth<br /><br />a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be trueBoy on a bikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14452119541546978454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-60652148872113817752009-11-01T07:06:23.842+00:002009-11-01T07:06:23.842+00:00I don't see why this is political. If anthropo...I don't see why this is political. If anthropogenic global warming isn't some kind of crisis, we should ignore everything the "Greens" say and if is is some kind of crisis, we can have anti-nuclear activists tried for treason for humanity. Either possibility agrees with a right-wing agenda.<br /><br />I personally prefer the first (I had my heart set on ignoring everything those d@mn hippies said) but I'm willing to listen to contrary evidence.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04720409839023747889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-76193460128596943912009-10-31T23:18:39.736+00:002009-10-31T23:18:39.736+00:00Wasn't Carswell the chap who summoned up a med...Wasn't Carswell the chap who summoned up a mediaeval wind storm in "Night of the Demon"? One would of thought he would be the first to admit man's role (aided by the forces of darkness) in tampering with the weather.Hengisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07770038175053203351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-21606693574361201772009-10-31T21:42:22.379+00:002009-10-31T21:42:22.379+00:00Here is the great shame of all these hysterics wea...Here is the great shame of all these hysterics wearing blinders:<br />They want to bankrupt the world so that it can not deal with real pollution.<br /><br />"The idea that global warming is the most important problem facing the world is total nonsense and is doing a lot of harm. It distracts people's attention from much more serious problems."--Freeman Dyson<br /><br />While they scream about Co2, an essential to life, they ignore REAL pollution:<br />http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/<br /><br />This can be controlled with help and money. But these babies do not understand the financial crisis and the limit of resources to fight real problems.<br /><br />Dr. Richard Lindzen of MIT, served on IPCC: “"One of the things the scientific community is pretty agreed on is those things will have virtually no impact on climate no matter what the models say. So the question is do you spend trillions of dollars to have no impact? And that seems like a no brainer.”<br /><br />But, hey, go ahead and waste limited resources if it makes you feel better.<br />The REAL pollution that you ignore does not make me feel much respect at all for a bunch of robots programed with an endless, mindless mantra.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-72764710047597210672009-10-31T18:09:38.275+00:002009-10-31T18:09:38.275+00:00So tory policy on climate change, is burn baby bur...So tory policy on climate change, is burn baby burn!<br /><br />Very worrying, the Economist which is hardly green left like me has had some great and worrying material on climate change....however the Economist is the intelligent voice of the free market right, where as as the excellent research above shows the tory bloggers are just a little dumb.Derek Wallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05462511891409913195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-80825281021581628182009-10-29T23:27:38.842+00:002009-10-29T23:27:38.842+00:00Sunder,
One of the problems with the internet de...Sunder, <br /><br />One of the problems with the internet debates, especially those around controversial or hotly contested issues, is that the parties very often do not actually appear to engage with each other at all - they merely stand on their own ground shouting to the world about their particular take on a point and fail to actually listen to what others are saying ... the classic examples of this is the 'debate' about the promotion of women in the European elections and the 'debate' about grammar schools - both on Conservative Home.<br /><br />An interesting analysis could be done with regard to aims and objectives of particular blogs.<br /><br />With an individual's blog it is possible that you can discern what the agenda is - Paul Staines' agenda is, I think, avowedly 'anti-establishment' (at least in his own mind) and libertarian to a degree that is almost anarchistic - he will probably not agree in totality ...<br /><br />With the blogs that have numerous contributors, the agenda may be less clear - Liberal Conspiracy for example is less easy to categorise - yes it is left leaning, but the inconsistency in positions can be quite provoking and interesting.<br /><br />On the other hand Conservative Home and, yes, Next Left, have a particular axes to grind - and while they may use their sites in different ways, they do have a 'perspective' and often an 'agenda' which may not reflect the agenda that others, even in the parties that they are likely to be sympathetic to would necessarily agree with ...<br /><br />That Conservative Home is keen to sell itself to the MSM as the voice of the grassroots is itself interesting - as I go round assoications I am not certain that they truly reflect the diversity of opinion that exists in that grassroots and I cannot tell you the number of times I am told, 'Yes, I read Conservative Home, but I would never contribute ...'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-54255973837648500632009-10-29T19:21:26.366+00:002009-10-29T19:21:26.366+00:00"Go ed" then, as Yozza used to say...
h..."Go ed" then, as Yozza used to say...<br /><br />http://www.weatheraction.com/displayarticle.asp?a=99&c=1Sparrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552011801520750491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-76123695097558774552009-10-29T11:34:40.906+00:002009-10-29T11:34:40.906+00:00Evan,
Thanks for the sensible and interesting con...Evan,<br /><br />Thanks for the sensible and interesting contribution. The issue of keeping the blogosphere's influence in perspective is an interesting one. You make a good point, but it is just a new channel of the advocacy and pressure politics which has always had some impact in political debate inside parties. <br /><br />I think the AWS debate does show how the blogs (ConHome) in particular can have an influence, because internal debate is more rapid, much more open and harder to control. Europe is another issue where this is an important feature of a real political tension.<br /><br />ConHome use reader/activist polling in an effective way to claim legitimacy and project their findings into the media as what the "grassroots" think. If there are different more centrist or modernising forces at the grassroots not being represented by that, then they are not well organised or visible. <br /><br />The leadership often tells journalists theirs is a top down project of a few convinced people at the centre .... that might be much harder than the mid-1990s ... or not ...Sunder Katwalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06671411534003530927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-6444771467346386322009-10-29T11:01:18.185+00:002009-10-29T11:01:18.185+00:00The title and the first paragraph are two complete...The title and the first paragraph are two completely different areas of discussion:<br />"Can anyone find a Tory blogger who believes that climate change is a real threat?"<br />This refers to Climate Change (which has always happened since the formation of the earth, and will always happen) being a threat (to humans I assume).<br /><br />"None of the top ten Conservative bloggers believes the theory that man-made global warming is an established fact;"<br />This refers to the theory of man-made global warming. And it certainly IS NOT an established fact. It is based on appallingly bad science and in some cases fraudulent claims by pseudo-scientists.<br /><br />These statements are entirely different and one does not necessarily imply the other. It's this sort of sloppy thinking that informs a lot of the Climate Change debate unfortunately. <br /><br />How many MPs have actually got a Science degree (BSc, MSc or higher)? How many of them can critically analyse the peer-reviewed papers in scientific journals. Not many, therefore any blogs by them are scientifically worthless - this applies to any political flavour.CodeRocksMehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13333494597489976170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-31737923446962929982009-10-29T09:57:34.299+00:002009-10-29T09:57:34.299+00:00Sunder,
A problem with the blogosphere is that i...Sunder, <br /><br />A problem with the blogosphere is that it is self-selecting ... even comments are made by self-selecting commentators.<br /><br />Whilst these blogs are popular - in terms of unique visitor numbers (and before Unity has a go at me, I know there are weaknesses in those numbers) - they tend to be written by people who write about a large number of issues and climate change is not their principle topic (or even one that they discuss very often). At a time when there are many other problems facing people on a daily basis that are of more immediate concern, this doesn't surprise me.<br /><br />So where does that leave us - is it really indicative of Conservative grassroots thought what is written by a number of popular bloggers on a particular topic that they don't write about very often? Having been part of a recent election campaign for the Conservatives, I suspect that the party is not as obsessed by the internet and blogging as ConservativeHome would like them to be - and their claim to represent the 'grassroots' of the Conservative party is simply not credible when you read the comments by many who claim to be conservative but who clearly are not, from their comments, Conservatives!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-7410723851672317122009-10-29T08:18:04.631+00:002009-10-29T08:18:04.631+00:00Your real question should be :
Help! Can anyone f...Your real question should be :<br /><br />Help! Can anyone find a LEFTY bugger who can think ? Who can view BOTH sides of a discussion, rather that emote like headless chickens ?<br /><br />Alan DouglasAlan Douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16071898364060640779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-26709719238113821312009-10-29T07:21:07.667+00:002009-10-29T07:21:07.667+00:00Caitlin
Thanks for comment. It seems from that th...Caitlin<br /><br />Thanks for comment. It seems from that that Zac Goldsmith doesn't have any idea what a blog is - that isn't one - though he occasionally contributes to an actual blog at Platform 10.<br /><br />The post shows that all of the top 10 Conservative bloggers are climate change sceptics, using the Total Politics awards list. I did manage to dig out a couple of Tory bloggers not in the top 10 who aren't (Richard Willis and Platform 10) but it took some looking.<br /><br />I am in favour of a cross-party consensus on addressing climate change. The post notes the party leader is in favour of the political cross-party consensus of seeing climate change as an urgent threat, and wishes luck to the small minority of Tory bloggers who wish to advocate maintaining that position.<br /><br />But "let's not try to make it so" is (unfortunately) premature ... climate change appears to remain deeply contested within the Conservative Party (see the campaigns of elected representatives like Douglas Carswell MP, Roger Helmer MEP; the most prominent opinion formers, such as The Spectator and forums such as ConservativeHome; and the weak priority which most party activists give the issue (according to ConHome surveys).<br /><br />But "let's try not to make it so" is also a good idea, if those who do want a consensus to address climate change could challenge that trend: David Cameron has done so in making it a high profile issue and taking a clear line - but he has tended to tell us that this proves his party has changed, which means he underestimates how far he seems to be from convincing a rather large chunk of it.Sunder Katwalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06671411534003530927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-29631523801436785862009-10-29T06:08:33.215+00:002009-10-29T06:08:33.215+00:00PS If you Google ' site:zacgoldsmith.com clima...PS If you Google ' site:zacgoldsmith.com climate change ' then you'll see that he writes about the issue frequently. He is a Tory blogger and prominent environmentalist.<br /><br />Climate change and the environment should not be a party-political issue. Let's try not to make it so.Caitlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01118423043759580862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-14877793142741164092009-10-29T05:59:29.582+00:002009-10-29T05:59:29.582+00:00Zac Goldsmith has a blog. http://www.zacgoldsmith....Zac Goldsmith has a blog. http://www.zacgoldsmith.com/default.asp?contentID=85Caitlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01118423043759580862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-71376476243517855792009-10-29T00:14:36.239+00:002009-10-29T00:14:36.239+00:00Isn't it telling that the more scientists ques...Isn't it telling that the more scientists question the 'accepted' science, and the more questions are asked, the more frantic the scaremongers become, and the more hysterical their claims.<br /><br />It would kinda help if the IPCC would allow their raw data to be released without a dogged fight occasionally, too. After all, nothing to hide, nothing to fear, eh?Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-12939205674078520352009-10-28T23:24:55.897+00:002009-10-28T23:24:55.897+00:00Tony,
I agree the opening sentence is very clumsy...Tony,<br /><br />I agree the opening sentence is very clumsy and a bit daft. I think I rewrote it right at the end, and garbled it. <br /><br />"None of the top ten Conservative bloggers believes the theory that man-made global warming is convincing" would have been much better".<br /><br />But you won't find the word 'denier' in the post. <br /><br />While I have every right to comment on what I think, I did try to report the views of the different bloggers in a fair way which they would themselves accept as accurate. (In the 1-10 section, I think I editorialise in a couple of sentences on Carswell, but everyone else is simply reported).Sunder Katwalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06671411534003530927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-76740228693419366932009-10-28T23:10:08.349+00:002009-10-28T23:10:08.349+00:00And before you label me as a 'denier', my ...And before you label me as a 'denier', my reference above is to AGW (what you term man-made global warming). The climate has always changed and always will.<br /><br />No evidence has ever been presented that proves as fact that man has affected caused warming. All that exist is a collection of theories. Even they are being discredited as CO2 increases and temperature decreases.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05936858144046032905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-27169580099796309742009-10-28T23:05:01.681+00:002009-10-28T23:05:01.681+00:00Oh dear, oh dear. Re-read your opening sentence S...Oh dear, oh dear. Re-read your opening sentence Sunder and just stop and think about it for a moment:<br /><br /><i>"None of the top ten Conservative bloggers believes <b>the theory</b> that man-made global warming is an <b>established fact</b>,"</i><br /><br />At least you have taken the trouble to explain <i>why</i> they do not treat climate change as an established fact, because it is nothing more than a theory as you have clumsily noted.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05936858144046032905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-47954494747802661702009-10-28T21:52:55.586+00:002009-10-28T21:52:55.586+00:00How exactly are "property rights" anythi...How exactly are "property rights" anything to do with the "free market"?Oriel boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10485043967856675028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-90310979011076029112009-10-28T19:53:44.094+00:002009-10-28T19:53:44.094+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.bullionsInvestorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00644547951071979787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-52513831756538832142009-10-28T19:10:10.145+00:002009-10-28T19:10:10.145+00:00I notice at PMQ's today a labour MP suggested ...I notice at PMQ's today a labour MP suggested that Tories were "climate change and holocaust deniers"<br /><br />I did laugh. Then I ate a baby in my 4x4 whilst gassing a Jew.<br /><br />Believe what you want. Charge me a penny for your beliefs and I'll drag you to hell.Old Holbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10164491045068093627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7985429043801017839.post-74620735277747002052009-10-28T18:09:59.418+00:002009-10-28T18:09:59.418+00:00Stuart,
Am I right in thinking that America (and ...Stuart,<br /><br />Am I right in thinking that America (and possibly the UK) still subsidise oil?Byrnetofferingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00861863350283231526noreply@blogger.com